In genere
Io ho un UWA da 8.8 e un Nagler II da 16 mm. Ricapitolando sia la serie UWA della Meade sia i Nagler sono degli OTTIMI
oculari, spesso sprecati a causa della cattiva qualita' del cielo e dei
telescopi su cui vengono montati. Non ho avuto modo di provare l'UWA da 14 mm
ma, se il prezzo e' un problema relativo o se, meglio ancora, puoi fare come
ho fatto io (l'ha riportato un mio amico dall'America), prendi un Nagler perche'
sui 20 mm l'UWA non c'e' e l'SWA e' di qualita' peggiore rispetto ai primi
due, pur restando un OTTIMO oculare.
Purtroppo per questo nuovo oculare non sono in grado di darti alcuna notizia.
Speriamo che il tempo migliori un po' cosi' posso dirti come funziona il
Nagler osservando qualche "bellezza invernale".
Diciamo che per osservare i pianeti vanno benone i plossl, ultimamente gli
ortoscopici sono un po' in ribasso. I plossl non sono altro che ortoscopici
modificati : credo che per 150000-200000 max puotrai acquistare un buon 5-6
mm.
Prova a guardare il mercato dell'usato, ci sono ottime occasioni a poco
prezzo, e sugli oculari e' difficile incappare in una fregatura.Un oculare del genere
ti da circa 200 ingrandimenti, ottimi per i pianeti. Un'altro acuisto potrebbe
essere un plossl di 12,5 mm, per osservazioni a medio ingrandimento.Non ti
consiglio in linea di principio una barlow, anche se ce ne sono di ottime,
poiche' costano parecchio e dificilmente hanno le stesse prestazioni di un
oculare pari focale.Eviterei poi anche oculari tipo UWA o SWA o Nagler che
sono magnifici ma costano tutto il telescopio da solo.... :-(
Come pulirli
Occorrente: fazzolettini di carta tipo Kleenex, oppure (meglio) fazzolettini
di carta per struccare (si trovano solo in profumeria) in confezione
sigillata; vetril (quello veeeeeecchio, con la bottiglia blu), benzina AVIO,
acqua distillata, una pinzetta in plastica (si compra dagli ottici, basta
chiedere quella per maneggiare le lenti a contatto); una pompetta di gomma
(quelle grosse, di colore arancione, che si comprano nelle farmacie).
Per prima cosa si soffia via la polvere dalla lente con la pompetta.
Si miscela il vetril + benzina avio + acqua distillata in parti uguali, poi
si prende con la pinzetta un fazzolettino nuovo, e ne si fa un cono appuntito
di carta. Si intinge la punta nella miscela detergente, poi si bagna legger-
mente la lente. Si lascia agire per una decina di secondi e poi si deterge.
Si ripete l'operazione 2-3 volte, cambiando ogni volta il fazzolettino. Si
lascia asciugare. Infine si alita sulla lente, si cambia il fazzolettino con
uno nuovo e asciutto e si termina la pulizia. Infine, si soffia via la polvere
di carta residua con la pompetta.
Nagler
EQUIPMENT TALK by Todd Gross The Televue Nagler is perhaps one of the most sought after eyepieces ever,
and with good reason. The wide 82 degree field is nearly flat.. that is,
images are sharp just about to the edge.. considering how large an 82
degree field is.. that is amazing.
Al Nagler, the creator of this line of eyepieces, calls the feeling one
gets when viewing through them, a "space-walk". This is something new to
visual astronomy, but it is real. The effect is this: When viewing through
a Nagler, particularly from 9mm on up through 20mm, you can never really
take in the whole field at one time. The result is that you have to move
your eye and/or you head around to take in the whole view. While this can
be disconcerting at first, when you are relaxed, and casually observing,
you can really get a warm feeling of being able to "look around" at
different parts of space without having to move the scope!
The disadvantages of the Nagler eyepieces are few, but they do have some
drawbacks. On bright objects, there is a "some" loss of contrast between
the object, and the sky. Some observers say that this loss in contrast,
compared to let's say a straight Plossl, will be within the object as
well, so that Jupiter for instance, may not show up quite as darkly
banded. I have found this to be minimal.
The other disadvantages lie within specific eyepieces, and I will go over
those below.
A huge advantage in dealing with Televue eyepieces, by the way, is that
they can be returned for repair! I have sent in a useless 9mm Nagler, and
had it returned in just over a week, good as new. The repair was
reasonably priced considering the cost of the eyepiece.
Here is a summary of the Nagler line:
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# Area : ASTRO.ITA (Astrofili)
# Da: Renzo Delrosso ( 12/1/1994 14:2 )
# A: Christian Lavarian
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CL> Dovrei acquistare un oculare sui 20mm di focale per un dobsoniano da
CL> 33cm f4.5 e sono parecchio indeciso. Dapiu' parti ho letto che i
CL> migliori oculari per Newton aperti sono quelli a grande campo
CL> apparente ( Nagler,Swa,Uwa... ). Il problema e' che ce ne sono molti
CL> e con prezzi variabilissimi. Qualche fortunato ha avuto modo di
CL> osservare uno di questi oculari e puo' darmi un consiglio?
Come forse ti ricordi uso un modestissimo Newton da 15 cm aperto a F:6.7
pero' ho potuto osservare con l'8.8 la stellina centrale di M57 (che mi dicono non
e' un oggetto facilissimo da rilevare in mezzo alla nebulosita') mentre con il
Nagler (che ho comprato successivamente) ho avuto la possibilita' di osservare
M31 (capirai che sforzo!!! dirai) ... dal centro citta', sotto i lampioni
dell'illuminazione stradale e puntando il telescopio a occhio in quanto non
vedevo nemmeno la Polare per fare un puntamento sufficiente per usare i cerchi
graduati. Con il binocolo non si riusciva a percepire nulla mentre con il
Nagler (a 62 ingrandimenti) il nucleo era perfettamente visibile e si
intravedevano anche se con difficolta' delle ombreggiature in corrispondenza
delle anse dei bracci.
CL> Su SKy di dicembre ho letto che la University optics commercializza
CL> un tipo di oculare a 9 ( ! ) lenti con campo apparente di 80gradi a
CL> prezzi paragonabili a quelli dei SWA della Meade. Avete notizie in
CL> questo senso??
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# Area : ASTRO.ITA (Astrofili)
# Da: Christian Lavarian ( 26/3/1995 17:0 )
# A: Packy Esposito
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PE> Sono entrato anche io nel fantastico mondo dell'astronomia
PE> acquistando, su consiglio di Christian, il 4500 della Meade, che mi
PE> e' arrivato solo venerdi' mentre ero a letto per l'influenza, quindi
PE> non ho potuto provarlo ancora. Ho notato pero' che l'unico oculare in
PE> dotazione fornisce un ingrandimento di 36X che, a prima vista, sembra
PE> poco. Ribadisco che ho preso questo modello di telescopio anche
PE> perche' alloggia gli oculari da 31.8.
PE> Mi date qualche spiegazione sugli oculari che mi potrebbero essere
PE> utili ad esempio per osservare i pianeti e comunque un po' di
PE> indicazioni sugli oculari in genere, magari anche qualche prezzo
PE> giusto per farmi un'idea. Ho sentito parlare di ploss, or... ma non
PE> so affatto cosa significa.
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# Area : ASTRO.ITA (Astrofili)
# Da : Plinio Camaiti, 2:334/101.4 (03-31-1997 20:41)
# A : Alessandro Freda
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AF> Secondo vuoi quale e' il metodo migliore per pulire gli oculari?
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# Area : ASTRO.ITA (Astrofili)
# Da : Christian Lavarian, 2:333/801.25 ( 08-07-1996 09:39)
# A : Tutti
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6/24/96 - The entire NAGLER line!
The Panoptics from Televue, in my opinion, are even sharper in view than
the Naglers! Their focal lengths are generally longer, the eye relief thus
is longer, and the field size is somewhat smaller. They starting at 15mm
and running on up to 35mm focal length. I will go over the advantages,
and disadvantages of these incredibly sharp-to-the-edge eyepieces in my
next report.
This eyepiece exhibits short eye relief, approximately 7mm. It also does
not give much of that "space-walk" feel compared to the longer focal
lengths. Views are sharp though, if you can keep the lens clean. The field
is very wide, but not as comfortable as viewing with the longer Naglers.
The latest version includes a full eyecup rather than the "horn" type
previously supplied, and I believe a grip ring.
This eyepiece has a more reasonable 10mm eye relief. Also supplied with a
very stiff, roll-down, full eyecup (like the 4.8mm) which is very
effective, even more effective than the 9 Nagler and up. However, it
doesn't roll down easily, and makes it somewhat harder to go from glasses
to without glasses, and back. The view is very pleasant and wide, much
more comfortable than the 4.8, and a bit more of that "space-walk"
feeling. You only have to move your eye around, and not your whole head to
take in the full 82 degree view. On most scopes, this is a fantastic
planetary eyepiece. Both the 4.8, and the 7mm Naglers are pure 1.25"
eyepieces, and are suitable for 1.25" diagonals, and/or binoviewers.
This is the first in the series to exhibit the Nagler's more typical
qualities. This eyepiece is a small 1.25"/2" hybrid design. It is a 1.25"
eyepiece with a 2" "skirt". It fits more securely in a 2" diagonal, but
works just fine in a 1.25". The eye relief is better, approximately 12mm.
The "space-walk" feeling is full blown. The design of this and many of the
Nagler's has changed so many times over the past few years it is mind
blowing. From buying them second hand, and trying to match them for a
bino-viewer, I have been driven nuts trying to keep track of the excellent
alterations. The latest 9mm Nagler (and I believe all the others on up
from here) features an easy to roll down eyecup, a contoured barrel (like
the 7 and 4.8 versions feature too - apparently to prevent eyepiece
falling accidents), a grip ring, and a new placement of the top
element..right on the plane of the top of the eyepiece (not at all
recessed) allowing for a more comfortable eye relief, but a higher
probability of eyelash contact.
No longer being produced, this eyepiece is considered a "collector's
item", and draws big bucks on the second hand market. No, I have never
tried one, but apparently it does not come with an eyecup. The 11mm Nagler
is the Nagler 1 style, like the 4.8, 7, 9, and 13. From 9mm and up there
is a slight "kidney bean blackout" effect, but it really isn't noticeable
until you reach 13, which we will discuss shortly. I have not heard that
this Nagler is any "better" than others despite the high price it draws.
It is considerably heavier than the 9mm, and also apparently is a 1.25/2"
eyepiece.
When you get up around 13mm, the Nagler 1 design exhibits a more
pronounced "kidney-bean" blackout effect discussed below. Therefore,
Televue created a new design, similar to the 1st, which allowed the
Naglers to go all the way up to 20mm, without any of the problems
associated with the earlier design. The only trade off, is eye relief.
While the relief is limited, the placement of the top element right at the
plane of the eyepiece makes for very comfortable night-time viewing
without glasses, even with the eyecup rolled up. However, with glasses, it
is somewhat tight, and you will lose some of the f.o.v. I have sold, and
re-purchased this eyepiece many times, always "missing" the huge panorama,
and yet sharp planetary images. I could be mistaken, but the field of view
seems even larger than 82 in this particular model. I use this eyepiece
especially for observing globulars in an 8" or 10" SCT. Perfect mid-high
magnification eyepiece to see the whole globular, yet break down the
stars! This eyepiece is quite heavy, and also features a 1.25/2" hybrid
design. I would recommend a 2" diagonal to hold it for security. I had
trouble, by the way, seeing the whole field by day...for some reason it
was easier to take in at night, must have something to do with pupil size.
The last in the series 1 Naglers, the 13mm is perhaps one of the finest,
and yet it has an infamous problem : The Kidney Bean effect. Essentially,
these kidney shaped, blackout areas become prominent as you shift your
view around to take in the whole view. (similar to a blackout when you get
too close to a 40mm eyepiece) I have seen it claimed that if you naturally
hold your eye steady, then you will not have a problem. Well, that is
true, but you will also only be taking in 70 degrees and not 82 degrees,
or thereabouts, and that is what you are paying for. However, this
eyepiece, also quite large, exhibits a very comfortable view, and good eye
relief compared to the 12mm. I believe it is rated at about 19mm relief,
but I found it shorter, especially when trying to view the edge of field.
This eyepiece is fantastic on deep sky, giving a real Oh-wow feeling. On
jupiter, I believe the sharpness on the bands was not quite as good as on
other eyepieces, but I discovered that in a pretty quick and dirty test
session, so I could be wrong. In a side by side test against the 12mm
Nagler, I thought I detected a bit more "life" and brightness to the image
through the 13, but it could be because of the additional 1mm focal
length. Note, that on this Nagler, as in many others, there is already a
"built-in" barlow! This can be unscrewed, to gain a 30mm eyepiece or
thereabouts, but I wouldn't recommend it. Firstly, the stars at the edge
of field suffer greatly, and secondly, you risk ruining your eyepiece,
especially since it isn't easy to screw and unscrew the built-in
magnifier.
Almost identical in design, size, weight, and viewing characteristics
(indeed the 16 is slightly SMALLER than the 12, go figure) the 16mm Nagler
2 is an awesome deep sky and planetary eyepiece. The space-walk, eye
relief, and just about everything is identical to the 12.
This is a huge, heavy eyepiece, up there with the 35mm Panoptic in size,
and weighing in in pounds, and not ounces. Some telescope owners can't
afford that extra weight. Also, it is a 2" eyepiece, there is no provision
at all for a 1.25" focuser/diagonal unlike the other Naglers. The wide
top lens makes for a very comfortable viewing experience. However, like
the 12 and 16, you shouldn't use this eyepiece with glasses, unless you
are willing to sacrifice a chunk of field. Again, a similar, approximately
10mm of eye relief. The space-walk feeling is at it's maximum with this
eyepiece as you have to shuttle around a lot to take in the whole picture.
However, this is one of the most important eyepieces around (and
expensive), as it will give you as much field size as a 32+ mm Plossl, and
yet give you a substantially more magnified, intensive view (although
potentially dimmer as the exit pupil is smaller, but the contrast factor
often makes up for that). If you buy this eyepiece for instance, and
replace your 26mm that comes with your telescope, you will gain BOTH
substantial field size AND magnification all in just one eyepiece. Indeed
with a fairly high powered telescope, such as an 8" f/10, I probably would
choose this eyepiece if I could choose only one (and no barlowing allowed,
with a barlow I would probably choose the 27mm panoptic if I was allowed
just one!).
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